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All new fursuit makers, are you ready?

Journal Entry: Tue Oct 9, 2012, 4:40 PM
Something that has been going around in my head for the past week as I've watched a ton of new makers jumping out of the woodworks, eager to take on commissions. Making suits is great and can be a great hobby, but for those that are wanting to continue making them beyond the Hobby mark, ask yourself these questions...

1. Do I have the time to dedicate to this?

On average I will work 12-16 hour 'shift' days making suits, 6 days a week. I will take a day or two off to loosen up and relax, but perhaps ever 2 weeks or so. To keep up with the demand and the work load it takes a ton of my time, often sacrificing fun events such as the movies or a bon fire.

2. Do you have the space?

I started working off of my bed, then out of the spare bedroom. Small projects don't take up space, but larger ones certainly do. Do you have the space needed for furs, tools, cutting, sewing, and other things of the sort?

3. Do you have the dedication?

Fursuit making can not only be rewarding, but it can also be very heartbreaking. Criticism, fursuit trolls, folks unfamiliar with suits, and even the average person might break you down before building you up. Constructive criticism will hurt at times but don't turn on the person as if they were attacking you. Learn from another and learn from your own mistakes as they WILL happen. Most of the time people are there to help, not hurt.

4. Do you have the patience/emotional control?

Many times things won't go as planned, things will break, things will spill, get cut wrong, get sewn backwards, tear, get stained, turn out too small/large, etc. Fursuits will break you down to your very bare nerves and work on you till you bleed and cry. One suit may work perfectly, the next, fight you all of the way. If you fail once, DON'T give up.  If you must, take a breather. Step outside, go for a walk, come back to it later. Everything will work out. If you have to remake something, just take from what you did wrong last time and learn from it.

5. Why are you making suits?

What is it that is getting you into suits? Is it because its becoming a popular thing? Are you wanting to be popular? Do you want to make people smile? Make peoples dreams come true?

A lot of things I've seen lately have taken off due to popularity such as LED's, Resin bases, and other features. Suiting can be very fun and it can be very hard work. The most rewarding thing for me is the smile, the squeal, the physical appearance of pure joy that makes what I do worth it.

6. Do you have the financial stability/ability to keep track of funds and receipts?

When it comes to making, a maker can easily drop $500 in materials alone in a single sitting. When it comes to taxes, you have to be able to prove every cent of that income and gross/net. Are you willing to charge more in order to cover materials/taxes?

7. How are you with peer pressure?

Sooo many times you will be asked to lower your costs, scolded for having your prices at where they are, and many other things. People will try to persuade you to overlook your TOS  or to drop your prices for them. You cannot give in, no matter what sob story or angry words they may have.

8. How are your people skills?

You can't and won't please everyone. There will always be someone that will find something wrong and may not always handle it maturely. While they may throw mud, it is your responsibility to keep your composure and try to resolve the problem in an honest and calm manner. There may have been trouble at the post office, customs holding up a suit for a deadline, miscommunication, or other troubles. Just be prepared as you may encounter someone that will not communicate well.

9. Are you good at setting rules and keeping them?

Starting with your TOS or Terms of Service. This is your guide book, your rules, your "This is how to commission me and what I will/will not tolerate" list. It will help keep you safe and your backside from being severely grilled, if written well and followed each time.

There's not just a TOS though as work rules. When do you get up and start work? When do you make materials runs? Shipping runs? Can you set a schedule for yourself and follow it?

10.Is your environment safe for making?

Do you have someone in your household that smokes? Drinks? Do you own pets? These are all things you MUST alert commissioners prior to entering your queue. Someone may be severely allergic to something/someone you have at your home and will not know otherwise until you tell them or until they receive the product.

11. Are you willing to take the extra steps for your own health?

Resin casting, cutting, painting, PVC cutting, spray glue, spray gloss, etc. all require a well ventilated room and possibly even a respirator. Latex free gloves that are chemical resistant are also required for many of these as they all contain harmful chemicals that will cause severe health issues!

There are also more than just chemicals. Sleep and illness is another thing to keep in mind. Your body needs a certain amount of sleep. If you are pushing yourself to the point your judgement is being impaired and you are having difficulty focusing, you won't be able to dedicate your best to the suit. If you are past your limits, go take a break.

12. Are you willing to learn new things/improve upon the old?

One state of mind to always bare in mind is you don't know everything and you will never know everything. There's always room for improvement and ways to learn new things. Don't be afraid to do some research into your current topic or perhaps into a new one. Don't just study what other makers are doing (such as in anatomy, etc.) take the time and see WHY they are doing it. Study nature photo's and documents. Learn how things function and move. Learn why there's a certain number of things or why something is shaped the way it is. There is always a reason and function for everything in this world. Don't be afraid to find out why.

13.Do you expect to make a lot of money?

One urban myth about suit makers is that a lot of money is made. While makers may charge several thousand dollars for a suit, the maker themselves may only earn $200 off of a $2000 suit. Materials cost hundreds of dollars, shipping, taxes, unexpected expenditures (such as damaged or missing materials, etc.) and the time it takes spread out has the maker receiving minimum wage if not less. If the makers is using the suit business to pay for their living (rent, feed, bills, etc.) then they receive even less.

Fursuit making takes many long hours of work and you will get burned, cut, pricked by needles, and other sorts of injuries, of which no aiding benefits will be received from the business as well. So do makers make a lot of money? No, no we don't.

14. Are you willing/able to register your business?

More so, are you able to open a business account or bank account to secure your payments? To register a business you must be 18 or older to do so. Registering a business will give you a tax ID number, of which you use when filling out forms for taxes, of which you are required to pay with ANY income.

15. Are you able to accept all forms of payment?

To go hand in hand with 14, are you in a position to accept, payments such as check, cash, money orders, Credit Card, or PayPal? Checks and money orders can be cashed at a bank and while that is convenient for some, most of the world prefer and are only able to do online payments as thy are faster, more secure, easier to keep track of, and it means a credit card can be used. Payments through PayPal are the most convenient for nearly most of society that use a card as you can use your bank OR a credit card to pay.

To have a paypal option gives security to the client or customer and can be one of your greatest tools if all of Paypals rules are followed. One of those rules states specifically the requirement to being 18 or older to be an active and legal account. To be a minor and using someone elses account is extremely illegal so if you do happen to be underage and wanting to take on commissions, be prepared to work with people in different forms of payment or wait until you are of legal age.

16. Are you willing to do the research?

To make suits requires research, studying, and many hours of practice. There are countless tutorials out there that an guide as well as the greatest tool, GOOGLE. If you have a question, do a google search and see what you come up with. YouTube also has tutorials that can be found.

Experiment, try new things, and dig your heels in. Fursuit making is sort of like life. While there are things out there that can help, people will NOT walk along side you and hold your hand the entire way.



I think that's it for now, but I may add more to this list later. If anyone else has questions they think would be good ones to add, let me know!

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ColaTheEmoWolf Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Is it possible for a 9 year old to have a fursuit?
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
Possible? Yes. Probable? Not really. Small parts like ears and tails are best since 9 year olds are still rapidly growing and would outgrow the parts very quickly.
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ColaTheEmoWolf Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Oh okay just wondering
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Echo-The-Alpha Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uhm yeah so I have a question.
I am currently trying to do my very first fursuit head for a friend of mine. I'll get the head circumference later, but I have to buy supplies anyway.
I have enough tutorials on how to fur, shave and how to make a foam base. But what I don't get is, where the head circumference comes to use.
I already own a partial fursuit from a fursuit maker which I bought and I asked her but she doesn't seem to understand my question, that's why I ask you. She also only needed my head circumference for making the whole head and it fit perfectly. Now, if I have my foam and I am ready to cut out pieces, where do I have to use the head circumference?
I hope you understand what I'm talking about. Sweating a little... 
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
The head circumference is best to get the hood fitting properly, getting the elastic (if any) not too tight or loose, not making the head in general too large. Something else I like to take the measurement of is the distance from the pupil to the chin. This way, the face isn't too short or too long so you're able to breathe well as well as see well :)
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Echo-The-Alpha Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
alright. Thank you for this. :)
I have now asked my friend if she could measure the distance from pupil to chin which will surely help me a LOT. x)
Thank you so much. :D
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ScarshadowX Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Would you be willing to give a few tips?
I'm looking to start selling/commission fur suits, but i am under age to start a REAL business.
I am not 18 just yet, and it came to me that some years ago when i was a younger age (12 years old, before i realized what i was doingpeople started buying from me. i sold a couple things, nothing above $200. 
I have a paypal/amazon, etc. account under my parents name, in which they allowed me to do and use as long as i have permission.
 Is it wrong for me to keep selling under age? i really love making suits for others, and its only a hobby. i make at the most $50 profit. Should i stop making suits for others until i reach 18 years of age?
Thank you!
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
At the moment you are doing just fine :) The trouble happens when you start taking commissions under age as things get into the muss and fuss of legalities. The only thing I can think of is taxes as it IS a form of income. It sucks, but even when I did lawns back at like.. age 14 I still had to do them :P

All I can say is keep practicing and building up your techniques so when you do hit 18, you can open with plenty of experience, examples, and good feedback!
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ScarshadowX Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Awesome! Thank you! I will defiantly remember this! 
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axemnas Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student Filmographer
Nice it gives me some things to keep in mind and it also tells me I'm staying a hobbiest for a few years at least till I figure out a good way to make money to support it.
It appears that costume makers and haunted houses have something in common when it comes to the public's perception. I've yet to explain it to people I know that all the money my boss makes in that 2 month and two week period all goes right back into it for materials, paying the cast and general research.
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XXKitsunaXX Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
This journal entry will help me a lot when I try to make one of a kind fursuits. I'll start off with partials before I even think about doing full fursuits. :) 

Also, I like the way you clearly explain examples for each question. Also, I absolutely agree with you about number 8 as communication is crucially important, no matter what job/business you do.
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Shadowandgold Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I love this! Being a brand new maker, I'm glad to see that someone answered all my questions. :)
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ninetales666 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
i wish i could have a fusuit, but i am strictly forbidden to have one cause of my parents
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Nine, don't even start that here, you will not receive sympathy. Please go elsewhere as this topic is not needed upon my page.
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ninetales666 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
please block me please
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PizzaWolf Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
block yourself by going somewhere else and not coming back.
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ninetales666 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
fine then
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I will not block you but you need to take a step back and look at your actions in what you are doing. I understand your situation but going around, expressing your inability to own something and then make such a request is not desired by anyone.
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ninetales666 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013
my mother was born in 1963 and my father was born in 1954, so you can see why they hate furries and would hate it if they were to see their own son in a fursuit, they say to me that fursuits are stupid and that it is a kiddy thing
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
My parents are older than yours and support my business, now drop this discussion now or else I will freeze the thread.
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ninetales666 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013
please do
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cupcakelover1526 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
yes you should stop talking like that. I mean not trying to diss you or anything but my parents don't like me to do lots of stuff that I love to do. but they support me at what I do they may not like it but they cant control my life. I know your parents may not like it but do it anyway. its your life.
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HobbyFX Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
good advice! i want to steal this and reword it for fx makeup...:)
a lot of people out there think that just because you can do something it must be easy and cheap :(
dont know about in the fursuiting world but with sfx makeup there is a triangle diagram that explains it well and simply...
GOOD, FAST, CHEAP.... you can only have two tho!
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OtherworldCreatures Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Seems like very sound advise.

I'm a fairly new costume maker, and have lofty ambitions of turning it into a functioning business, though my stuff tends to hover somewhere between fursuiting and LARP costumes, though a lot of the stuff brought up completely applies, I would say. Thankfully I've worked in retail as well as other artistic fields, so have both dealt with unpleasant customers and 'I think I'm going to cry' sort of critiques.

Regarding critique, I think the trouble is a lot of beginners in any field often feel like critique is a personal slight. Having spent years of art classes get no advise at all, and then being graded badly on things, then being given a very harsh but dedicated teacher left me actually enjoying getting things really picked apart. Granted that it still hurts when your pride gets punched in the gut, but it's always nice that someone has actually taken the time and energy to advise you on something, because they clearly want you to improve. It feels a lot worse when people just watch you crash and burn.

Time is a big factor with me though, with work five days a week. I find it a bit of a dilemma. It's hard to put a lot of work into a small business with wage work taking up a lot of time, but it's potentially foolish to abandon a steady job if you are not certain your business is likely to earn you a living wage.
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CrazyViper Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Great job with this! I am only makeing masks for my self right now I do not plane to make masks an suits for other people for a LONG time. If they wanna buy a mask that I already made then yays! LOL But this is still a learning thing for me and the time and money it takes to do it I for sure dont have right now so this to me is just a side hobby.
Thank you for shareing this! This will be very helpfull for alot of ppl that think they can spend $100 on stuff and exspect to make $500+ off of it.
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Crystumes Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I'm so glad you can favorite journals now <3
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FangornT Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012
Very sound advice. Particularly regarding to the discussion on age; talent is all well and good but it is only a small component of what makes a sound and reliable person to commission.
Personal and legal responsibility amongst other important factors play a HUGE part in wanting to commission someone to make a multi-hundred dollar purchase or investment. For this reason I would never consider commissioning anyone under the age of 18 to make a costume or such. Maybe, if someone is -just that good- now at 13~16, then by the time they're 18~20 they'll be a hell of a lot better.
Until then, sorry but no. Certainly do continue to learn and practice and improve while you can do so without the additional pressures of being liable to commissioners.
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DragonGames Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this would be me. a new maker. i pretty much am NOT ready to take commissions, but wheni do this will be incredibly helpful. thanks!
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I just started commissions this year and I'm being downgraded because I'm 13. Does age matter? Not really. My parents are extremely strict on keeping me on top of school and commission work, so I shouldn't be downsized for somebody else whose my age and doesn't tell their parents about it.

x.x Sorry
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
It's mostly a legality thing. If something happens and legalities are added into the mix, your parents will be the ones 'responsible' as you are underage. People are going to want someone that is going to be responsible for their actions and can be directed as such in case something does happen (if something is damaged/incorrect, a refund is needed, etc. as you are not legally allowed to have a Paypal until you are 18)

My personal opinion would be 13 is a bit young. Don't be so burdened down by commissions as of yet! Enjoy the freedom and make a bunch of pre-mades till you really got the hang of things.
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cupcakelover1526 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013
im also 13 and going to try to start to make fursuits. so your saying I should just try to do some easy things and see how my style is and then when im old enough I could sell my stuff and do commissions?
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Pretty much :) getting your footing now when you are young will help you later on building a solid foundation for a commission queue that you can fill with quality pieces :D
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cupcakelover1526 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
woowwww thanks!!!
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've made plenty of pre-mades and sold them all. A LOT of people have asked me to open them, but I'm pretty confused.

It's something I want to do. I don't want to be downgraded because "I'm 13 and I don't know anything", and that's basically what it boils down to.

I started making fursuits when I was 9, and I felt that If people want to commission me, then I will spend as much money as possible to make sure that they're getting the same product somebody older than me would give them as well.

I've already been harassed by another fursuit maker for my age and that I "need to stop fursuiting". T_T

Bleehhhh sorry for the rant :x
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DragonGames Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
oh you are so like me. i started when i was 9 too, and im 13. ahhhhh the glory of making is irresistible
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm gonna have to watch you. v_v

I don't see what's so wrong about it. Seriously, I think I'm responsible enough to take on commissions and apply my handy work to use. It's something I ENJOY and I don't try to make profit from it.
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DragonGames Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
im not going to start commissions ful ltime until im at least 15. im doing a commission for a friend early next year. thats pretty much it.
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I -obviously- can't do fulltime commissions either. xD I have a head commission right now, and I finished a partial commission last night.
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DragonGames Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
cool. and also, ill be sure to use your fullsuit tutorial. i need to make a DTD and pattern first, so BLEH. probalby will buy a McCall's. i need a better sewing machine before i can do a fullsuit though. oh do you handsew your suits, or machine sew? because i need suggestions on sewing machines if you machine sew.
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
It's not so much a 'need to stop' as you need to wait until you're a bi more of a sound legal age. An age is just a number, not a limit to your knowledge and skill. It's more of what you are legally responsible for and the ways to hold you responsible.

Take payments for example. Many folks don't like doing checks/money orders as credit cards are much faster so many people are paypal preferred. Since one is not legally allowed to own a paypal until the age of 18, and going through another's paypal such as a legal guardian or parent, is illegal, such a option isn't really available.

Something else to think upon. Fursuit making or ANY source of income requires taxes to be paid. The legal age for someone to be apart of a business (whether employee or ownership) is 16+, paying and claiming the taxes and the deductions that follow is difficult if you are lower. Those employees around the ago of 14-15 are legal upon a farm doing work such as moving pipe and other low-risk tasks.

So like I said it's not so much about the lack of knowledge or the ability to do so, it's legalities.
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The-Outspoken Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
[10/10/2012 4:00 PM] Many people for the last few generations around the world have succeeded and profited off of working at a career under their age restrictions. Musicians and artists rake in profits before their senior years in high school, and to be honest, the law turns a blind eye against something that isn't that big of a deal. There's no damage done by this, and if the claim "You're stealing from the government" is a rebuttal, it should be taken into consideration the millions of dollars that seem to be moved under the noses of society by oil companies and spiteful corporations. In a worst case scenario, she'd have to file her income and pay the IRS a percentile of her annual profit.
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
While what the oil companies do is not much of my concern, it's advice in case something happens along the lines of getting into legal trouble, especially if it involves another person who wants their money back.

After studying law for a few years I know about the whole 'isn't a big deal'. Not claiming income can certainly become a very big deal in a very short time. Parents cannot claim the income and thus it is money floating around. While the chance of the IRS catching wind is very slim with such a low amount, I would rather play it safe and play by the rules.
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The-Outspoken Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
But when you enforce those rules across the internet, you also can obscure people's paths and choices, if somebody wants their money back, she can have a formal disclaimer beforehand, or she can send the money back if she fails to do so. I'd be more concerned about the money that floats around drug dealers and black market establishments which do-very-so exist, seeing it with my own eyes, the legalities of fursuits are possibly the least of the law's worries at the current moment, especially in a social turmoil America is facing today. Also, I don't believe it's legal for children to sell candy bars or any other item at school for a profit on their end, but it happens anyway, this business doesn't skew the morals society holds, only the rules superiors founded as an essence of control.
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Isn't that the whole point of rules, to follow them? Good business practice now makes for a sounds business owner at a later time. To enforce isn't to obscure, just to delay or take a detour until they are on stable ground to do follow their choices. The IRS doesn't care where the money comes from, money is money. While drug money does float around, it is far easier to track per-recorded cash online.

Rules were created to keep things in line and order, society has had rules since the very existence of man, to deny rules is to deny society. Yes some are there for control, but most are there to keep the people safe and out of chaos. It's societies ignorance and lack of self control/discipline that has the world where it is today, not the existence and enforcement of rules and laws.
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a PayPal account that is linked to my mother's so she can see what's going on/what I buy/receive.

I guess I'll have to stop, then. Thanks.
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PizzaWolf Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hell no...she's just saying its a bit more complicated to have you running a full blown business at any whatever under 18. keep making...and always shoot for your dreams, and always search for what you can learn from your compliments and criticisms.
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Who said I wanted to run a full blown business? I'm doing it as a hobby.
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
By all means don't stop making, def keep going. You do have a skill but if you'e good now, just think how good you will be once you hit legal age, your queue will fill up very quickly. What's above is just what I've learned over the past 4 years or so of making.
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LaughsAtThunder Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm going to continue making fursuits, but in all honesty I'm pushing past what you've said. If I have my parents who can /LEGALLY/ help me with these "bills" you keep bringing up, then I'm fine. I don't need anybody to tell me that I can't do it because I'm 13.
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Sharpe19 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Talk to your parents about taxes and how they work, they can explain them far better than I.
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